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  Would you ever......?

  by ctrwtf in

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  list as an accomplishment on a resume, "i escaped from a mind control doomsday cult?".

  sometimes when i reflect on it, the magnitude of this accomplishment amazes me..

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  I would certainly find away to list the skills I used to exit the cult, and apply those skills to the relevance of the application.

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  What makes a WORLD famous musician?

  by The Rebel in

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  my brother attended a college for those who " f..led" up at school and got a second chance to do the exams.

  anyway george michael and andy ridgley, were two of those fu..k ups, and my brother was quite friendly with both.

  as a result i met george and andy before they found fame with wham.. geri hallaway ( spice girl) also came from watford when she grew up and was a friend of my sister ( her mum a j.w) and i once spoke with geri on the phone when she rang asking to speak with my sister.

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  Krejames " I met Banannarama in Northampton if that counts"

  The Rebel :- it makes my point wonderfully:-

  " Robert De Niro's Waiting" was the bands big hit.

  This is a song about a girl who goes into a fantazy world where she meats the actor Robert De Niro.....yet if you meet De Niro in real life he is supposed to be nervous and shy.

  My wife and I once shared a beer with Gilby Clarke former guitarist of guns and roses.He and his wife were the most wonderful people. And although never a member of the origional band, I think Gilbys opportunity came about because he was well behaved (his dad was a doctor) and they bought him in the band when the band needed that ....mind you they kicked him out 2 years later, and that's why all these years later his doing small shows and how come me and my wife had the opportunity to meet him and his partner for a beer.

  I also have a friend who got on the Swedish version of Americas got talent, he did good and progressed but the judges still treated him as shit in the quarter final, and that says everything to me about reality T.V and talent shows. Humiliation rather than let's make this talent happen.

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  What makes a WORLD famous musician?

  by The Rebel in

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  my brother attended a college for those who " f..led" up at school and got a second chance to do the exams.

  anyway george michael and andy ridgley, were two of those fu..k ups, and my brother was quite friendly with both.

  as a result i met george and andy before they found fame with wham.. geri hallaway ( spice girl) also came from watford when she grew up and was a friend of my sister ( her mum a j.w) and i once spoke with geri on the phone when she rang asking to speak with my sister.

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  My brother attended a college for those who " f..led" up at school and got a second chance to do the exams. Anyway George Michael and Andy Ridgley, were two of those fu..k ups, and my brother was quite friendly with both. As a result I met George and Andy before they found fame with Wham.

  Geri Hallaway ( spice girl) also came from Watford when she grew up and was a friend of my sister ( her mum a J.W) and I once spoke with Geri on the phone when she rang asking to speak with my sister. (These were the days before mobiles)

  I met Elton John when i was about 14 and returning home from the football match . I stopped in at the local chippy ( fish and chip shop) Elton a life time Watford fan got out of his chauffeur driven car and accompanied by two bouncers came in and ordered his take away chips. He was brilliant and spent time talking with the fans about the game, ( I guess when he was 14, like me after the game he bought chips, wrapped up in newspaper and covered in malt vinegar from the same chippy)

  What struck me as interesting was my brother attending college with George Michael and my sister being friends with Geri Halliway before they became famous. I have concluded this wasn't so amazing, it was simply a question of opportunity because:-

  A) Talented singers have greater opportunity of making it if they live in London rather than other places in the world.

  B) When talented people appear on shows like " The X factor" or " American has Talent" we rarely find " Super Stars" because the people that produce the show and the judges aren't interested in discovering talent, and so throw the talent away like toilet paper.

  So my questions are :-

  A) Who has known those that have become famous?

  B) Who has known those that have talent but without opportunity to become famous?

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  Evolution and Atheism - please help

  by Fernando in

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  not being familiar with either, my question is:.

  what is the relationship between evolution and atheism?.

  i'd love to hear from anyone and everyone, and also from any perspective.. without limiting the conversation in any way, i would of course also appreciate comments that are simple, clear, direct and correct (as i don't have the capacity to do a phd in evolution or atheism)..

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  GoneAwol " The bible.....Absolute rubbish"

  The Rebel (A) Playing devils advocate, try telling the super pious religious followers that.

  I say this because " whilst science books can update books as more information becomes available" and whilst I agree this is true we also have new versions or maybe I should write new " visions" of the bible. As witnesses our updated bible came through the Watchtower, and other religions also have updated information from the bible .So in away religion like science does try to get closer to the truth, with updated more modern information. This is what happened with 1914 and the generation change.

  My point is it's wrong to believe all scientists are squeeky clean both in motive or thinking despite credentials, and so whilst I appreciate my new freedom to think, I believe all thinking is limited and it's foolish not to independently think things out, without just accepting teachings from those that claim a higher authority.

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  Apathy trolley chat

  by punkofnice in

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  i was in a different city this weekend so i decided to natter to 2 bored jws on the apathy trolley.i just nattered, nothing thought provoking or anti witness.

  i was waiting for someone so hard time to spare.what struck me was, that no matter how many times i said that i don't believe in god, they spoke to me as if i did.

  they kept asking me how god would feel about stuff.

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  The Organisation is aware of Apostates calling trolley carts the " Apathy Trolly" and in the March 1st watchtower, page 15 you will read this gem.

  " Apathy is one of the characteristic responces of any non-believer, when ( IT) is subjected to stimuli too intense or too complicated to cope with. The cure for apathy is not our indifference when standing at our Trolly, because as Jehovers Witnesses we know the world is evil and this is our way of dealing with non-believers until Jehover approves our success by anniliating these non believing creatures at Armageddon":-)

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  Evolution and Atheism - please help

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not being familiar with either, my question is:.

  what is the relationship between evolution and atheism?.

  i'd love to hear from anyone and everyone, and also from any perspective.. without limiting the conversation in any way, i would of course also appreciate comments that are simple, clear, direct and correct (as i don't have the capacity to do a phd in evolution or atheism)..

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  Cofty" The bible is full of errors and contradictions"

  The Rebel (A) I accept that the bible is full of errors and contradictions, I accept that the God of the old testement is Inzane. Isn't that how we learn, by reading words, because we think words are important?

  But can we presume that by reading words we will understand the secrets of life?

  Can we accept that truth is in books?

  That to read the correct book is to find truth?

  The world is full of science books that contradict past science, yet they all attempted to explain the world around us and like the bible we're considerd truth at the time of writing.

  So whilst I accept that the bible is full of contradictions:-

  A) isn't it a bit presumptuous to think the current books we read today on science contain absolute truth?

  B) Surely we would we be better to approach such books thinking they contain only current reccomendations of truth?

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  p.s an added thought ( C) can words ever contain truth?
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  Evolution and Atheism - please help

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not being familiar with either, my question is:.

  what is the relationship between evolution and atheism?.

  i'd love to hear from anyone and everyone, and also from any perspective.. without limiting the conversation in any way, i would of course also appreciate comments that are simple, clear, direct and correct (as i don't have the capacity to do a phd in evolution or atheism)..

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  Cofty: " Evolution is a fact"

  The Rebel. Possibly, but personally for me it's a theory as I am still researching.

  Cofty " Atheism is not a theory. It's a lack of belief in gods"

  The Rebel. Noted.
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  Evolution and Atheism - please help

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not being familiar with either, my question is:.

  what is the relationship between evolution and atheism?.

  i'd love to hear from anyone and everyone, and also from any perspective.. without limiting the conversation in any way, i would of course also appreciate comments that are simple, clear, direct and correct (as i don't have the capacity to do a phd in evolution or atheism)..

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  Fernando (Q ) What is the relationship between evolution and atheism?

  Fernando. I would like to learn more about the stepping stones on the journey.

  Well like you Fernando I don't have the capacity for a P.H.D in either subject, but I think :

  a) They are both theories not facts.

  b) They have both came about by information trading.

  And with the Internet we can investigate such questions despite not having the capacity for getting a P.H.D . However the danger is our ability in knowledge sourcing as this can be challenging,

  Anyway with the Internet religion can no longer force me to believe in the Almighty, because I can now get out of bed, and do my own research. And doing this I am no longer intolerant to the idea of Evolution, but I won't believe every theory because the scientists say they are right. That would be narrow minded and make me a traitor to the FREEWILL I now have, having left the Watchtower.

  Most importantly it's fun learning about such topics, particularly on this board. I also think it worth mentioning if Genesis didn't happen, there was no origional sin, and in my opinion no Jesus, and therefore evolution destroys Christian theology, However I must confess I still find some of the theories connected with evolution absurd, but in conclusion I think Iam on the path of discovery.

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  A question on natural selection

  by The Rebel in

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  last friday my boy of ten was very late back from school, so i called the school, they called the police, and to cut a long horrible exsperience short he had been helping a younger boy fly his kite.. but what has occurred to me is that when orlando was 5 years old he was totally dependent on mummy and daddy, whilst horses, cats, birds and other animals are born and are independent within days.. so my question on natural selection is, how are we humuns still here?.

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  Last friday my boy of ten was very late back from school, so I called the school, they called the police, and to cut a long horrible exsperience short he had been helping a younger boy fly his kite.

  But what has occurred to me is that when Orlando was 5 years old he was totally dependent on mummy and daddy, whilst horses, cats, birds and other animals are born and are independent within days.

  So my question on natural selection is, how are we humuns still here?

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  Why facts fail to reach the faithful, (even the intelligent ones)

  by done4good in

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  i posted this on another thread, and decided it deserves its own...thoughts?.

  an unfortunate artifact of evolution is that belief can, and often does trump fact.

  survival is at the core of what belief is about.

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  done4good " the part of the two sentences lost in the ellipsis is key"

  The Rebel, sorry about that, and I apologise if I inadvertently in my post took your comment out of context.

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